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[医学保健] “活性小分子胶原蛋白(多肽)”Arthred-骨关节炎与运动损伤

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发表于 2007-11-26 17:49:04 | 只看该作者
分享一下我所得到的信息,供大家参考:

1。活性胶原蛋白完全是骗人的东西,除了广告效用,没有任何用处。

2。氨糖(Glucosamine)是有用的,对关节营养有作用,但没有那么神。

3。氨糖的副作用以前曾经研究过,主要是关于是否会影响胰岛素分泌方面的课题,后来不了了之。所以目前基本可以认为尚未发现副作用。

4。产品:建议购买知名品牌的产品,主要是考虑到提纯的纯度问题。含不明杂质的氨糖也许会有难以预料的其他后果。

以上信息来自我的一个亲戚,他们夫妻两个都是搞细胞生物学研究的,在美国拿的PhD和博士后,现在分别在国外大学教书,和在一家医院做研究项目。

另外,昨天去武宁路家乐福超市的GNC专柜(一个美国的品牌)看到,30粒的氨糖要卖250块。真TM的贵。。。Anyway,还是准备吃。。。。
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发表于 2007-11-26 19:53:13 | 只看该作者
刚有人和我推荐氨糖,这里就有讨论了,不过价格真是贵的。
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发表于 2007-11-26 22:29:08 | 只看该作者
引用第10楼roy2007-11-26 17:49发表的: 分享一下我所得到的信息,供大家参考: 1。活性胶原蛋白完全是骗人的东西,除了广告效用,没有任何用处。 2。氨糖(Glucosamine)是有用的,对关节营养有作用,但没有那么神。 .......


在国內是贵的,你可以考虑叫朋友买国外的给你,你相信安利的话我也可以帮你买,但没有美国买那些各种牌子的便宜
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-11-26 22:30:24 | 只看该作者
引用第10楼roy2007-11-26 17:49发表的:
分享一下我所得到的信息,供大家参考:

1。活性胶原蛋白完全是骗人的东西,除了广告效用,没有任何用处。

2。氨糖(Glucosamine)是有用的,对关节营养有作用,但没有那么神。
.......

胶原蛋白没有用啊?猪蹄难道白吃了啊
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发表于 2007-11-26 22:53:27 | 只看该作者

引用第13楼贝多芬2007-11-26 22:30发表的: 胶原蛋白没有用啊?猪蹄难道白吃了啊

笑死了。

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发表于 2007-11-26 23:44:20 | 只看该作者
引用第13楼贝多芬2007-11-26 22:30发表的:


胶原蛋白没有用啊?猪蹄难道白吃了啊

食补 吃啥补啥......
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发表于 2007-11-27 11:58:46 | 只看该作者
引用第12楼sam神2007-11-26 22:29发表的:
在国內是贵的,你可以考虑叫朋友买国外的给你,你相信安利的话我也可以帮你买,但没有美国买那些各种牌子的便宜

嗯,我正在联系,让他们帮我了解当地的价格。如果价格合适,我还是准备吃GNC的。

香港的安利大概什么价格?在网上看到安利专卖店的氨糖,http://www.mljk.cn/mljk/goodsview.asp?bjxGid=351, Samson吃的是这个吗?

比较下来,好象还是GNC的成分比较好,每粒750mg盐酸葡萄糖胺+600mg软骨素(Chondroitin)。就是比较贵。国内的价格居然比GNC官网的建议零售价的上限还高,真BT。
http://www.gnc.com/sm-gnc-glucos ... 00--pi-2133460.html
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发表于 2007-11-27 12:00:29 | 只看该作者
引用第13楼贝多芬2007-11-26 22:30发表的:


胶原蛋白没有用啊?猪蹄难道白吃了啊


怎么会白吃?美容养颜啊,你赚大了,美男。。
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发表于 2007-11-27 12:59:20 | 只看该作者
以下内容摘自 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucosamine

关于Glucosamine的临床疗效研究目前仍存在争议。几次临床实验的结果都不能给出有说服力的证据。另外,文章最后一段也提到Glucosamine的硫酸盐或盐酸盐对其疗效的争论,结果仍然是没有权威性的定论。

There have been multiple clinical trials of glucosamine as a medical therapy for osteoarthritis, but results have been conflicting. The evidence both for and against glucosamine's efficacy has led to debate among physicians about whether to recommend glucosamine treatment to their patients.[14]

Multiple clinical trials in the 1980s and 1990s, all sponsored by the European patent-holder, Rottapharm, demonstrated a benefit for glucosamine. However, these studies were of poor quality due to shortcomings in their methods, including small size, short duration, poor analysis of drop-outs, and unclear procedures for blinding.[15][16] Rottapharm then sponsored two large (at least 100 patients per group), three-year-long, placebo-controlled clinical trials of the Rottapharm brand of glucosamine sulfate. These studies both demonstrated a clear benefit for glucosamine treatment.[17][18] There was not only an improvement in symptoms but also an improvement in joint space narrowing on radiographs. This suggested that glucosamine, unlike pain relievers such as NSAIDs, can actually help prevent the destruction of cartilage that is the hallmark of osteoarthritis. On the other hand, several subsequent studies, independent of Rottapharm, but smaller and shorter, did not detect any benefit of glucosamine.[19][20]

This situation led the National Institutes of Health to fund a large, multicenter clinical trial studying reported pain in osteoarthritis of the knee, comparing groups treated with chondroitin sulfate, glucosamine, and the combination, as well as both placebo and celecoxib.[21] The results of this 6-month trial found that patients taking glucosamine HCl, chondroitin sulfate, or a combination of the two had no statistically significant improvement in their symptoms compared to patients taking a placebo.[22] The group of patients who took celecoxib did have a statistically significant improvement in their symptoms. These results suggest that glucosamine and chondroitin did not effectively relieve pain in the overall group of osteoarthritis patients. However, exploratory analysis of a subgroup of patients suggested that the supplements may be effective in patients with pain classified as moderate to severe (see testing hypotheses suggested by the data).

In an accompanying editorial, Dr. Marc Hochberg also noted that "It is disappointing that the GAIT investigators did not use glucosamine sulfate ... since the results would then have provided important information that might have explained in part the heterogeneity in the studies reviewed by Towheed and colleagues"[23][24] But this concern is not shared by pharmacologists at the PDR who state, "The counter anion of the glucosamine salt (i.e. chloride or sulfate) is unlikely to play any role in the action or pharmacokinetics of glucosamine".[25] Thus the question of glucosamine's efficacy will not be resolved without further updates or trials.

A subsequent meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials, including the NIH trial by Clegg, concluded that hydrochloride is not effective and that there was too much heterogeneity among trials of glucosamine sulfate to draw a conclusion.[26]
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发表于 2007-11-27 13:09:01 | 只看该作者
引用第16楼roy2007-11-27 11:58发表的: 嗯,我正在联系,让他们帮我了解当地的价格。如果价格合适,我还是准备吃GNC的。 香港的安利大概什么价格?在网上看到安利专卖店的氨糖,http://www.mljk.cn/mljk/goodsview.asp?bjxGid=351, Samson吃的是这个吗? .......


我吃的是这个:
http://www.amway.com. ... 006&prd_id=8086
我买的價格是255元
120粒750mg

我最近也有些朋友要买,如果大家一起买可以分摊运费,那就更化算了!
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