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作者: ws159632 时间: 2007-7-25 08:35
标题: 惊天消息,Vinokourov环法药检阳性
The Tour de France was rocked by news that Astana's battered team leader, Alexandre Vinokourov, tested positive for a homologous blood transfusion after Saturday's time trial in Albi. L'Equipe reported on Tuesday afternoon that the Kazakh's blood had shown evidence of a transfusion from another person with a compatible blood type in an analysis done in the Châtenay-Malabry laboratory. The positive test was later confirmed by the Astana team.

Upon receiving the news, the Astana team suspended Vinokourov and quit the Tour de France, according to a statement which read, "According to the ethical code of the Astana Cycling Team, Alexandre Vinokourov has been suspended of the team with immediate effect. The rider asked nevertheless [for] a B-analysis."

ASO president Patrice Clerc received the news on Tuesday, and requested the Astana leave the Tour, which the team accepted. "I was told by [Astana general manager] Marc Biver that Alexander Vinokourov had tested positive after a blood test following the time trial. I asked Marc Biver that the Astana team leave the Tour de France and he accepted."

The news broke while Saunier Duval was holding its press conference and its rider David Millar was asked to respond. "That is a surprise. I don't know what to say," a shocked Millar stated. "Vino is one of my favourite riders. He is a guy of class. Given what we have done, with our current situation, we may as well pack our bags and go home," continued the Scot.

Alexandre Vinokourov (Astana) waits in the anti-doping car control
Photo ©: AFP  
After minute of reflection, he clarified, "No, I don't believe the Tour should stop here. We are 40 years after Simpson's death and the Tour still goes on."

Vinokourov was his team and country's big hope for a win in the Tour until he crashed on stage five and rolled in more than a minute down on the leaders, his knees dripping with blood. He received dozens of stitches, but soldiered on and came back to win the stage 13 time trial by 1'14 ahead of Australian Cadel Evans. He lost time again on stage 14, rolling in nearly 29 minutes down before storming back to a stage win on Monday.

The Kazakh was rumoured to be targeted prior to the Tour by the UCI as one of the 'men in black' - riders who try to avoid out of competition controls by training in anonymous clothing in out of the way places. Astana denied that this was anything other than a way to avoid being pestered by fans.

Homologous blood transfusions have been detectable since the 2004 Olympic games, and American Tyler Hamilton had the dubious honour of being the first cyclist to be suspended for blood doping, an activity in which he repeatedly denied taking part.

The team's withdrawal removes fifth placed Andreas Klöden, eight placed Andrey Kashechkin, and 23rd placed Vinokourov from the picture, moving CSC's Carlos Sastre into fifth ahead of Euskaltel's Haimar Zubeldia, T-Mobile's Kim Kirchen and Mikel Astarloza (Euskaltel-Euskadi). Alejandro Valverde (Caisse d'Epargne) and Discovery's Yaroslav Popovych now round out the top ten overall.

Astana也退出了比赛

作者: iamdb 时间: 2007-7-25 08:42
。。。。。。Astana刚拿了15赛段冠军吧

作者: idler1984 时间: 2007-7-25 08:44
无语了...

作者: m970 时间: 2007-7-25 08:52
靠……

作者: glorysky 时间: 2007-7-25 09:01

引用第3楼m970于2007-07-25 08:52发表的:
靠……

知道你看不明白...

作者: 一直温柔 时间: 2007-7-25 09:32
职业运动，一向很肮脏，看一群吃药的人在比赛，有什么意思。

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 09:39
而且整个队退出。。。。。。

作者: combo 时间: 2007-7-25 09:40
证实啦

作者: 阿房 时间: 2007-7-25 09:50
不是很看的懂，他用的是别人的血液？不是吃药啊

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 10:11

引用第8楼阿房于2007-07-25 09:50发表的:
不是很看的懂，他用的是别人的血液？不是吃药啊

恩，这种行为么一个人肯定是不能完成的，所以全队走人

作者: 46er 时间: 2007-7-25 10:15

引用第8楼阿房于2007-07-25 09:50发表的:
不是很看的懂，他用的是别人的血液？不是吃药啊

自体输血（autologous blood transfusions）和同源输血（homologous blood transfusions）是出现比较早，非常有效果的一种doping，，但是很容易被检测出的，比使用EPO缺乏技术含量。
Vino背负的压力很大，但他和他的车队却用最愚蠢和低级的方式，让自行车运动的声誉蒙受了巨大的损失，也让喜欢Vino的车迷感到痛心无比，现在国内外自行车论坛是哀声一片啊。

作者: m970 时间: 2007-7-25 10:19

引用第4楼glorysky于2007-07-25 09:01发表的:

知道你看不明白...

鄙视你

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 10:22

引用第10楼46er于2007-07-25 10:15发表的:

自体输血（autologous blood transfusions）和同源输血（homologous blood transfusions）是出现比较早，非常有效果的一种doping，，但是很容易被检测出的，比使用EPO缺乏技术含量。
Vino背负的压力很大，但他和他的车队却用最愚蠢和低级的方式，让自行车运动的声誉蒙受了巨大的损失，也让喜欢Vino的车迷感到痛心无比，现在国内外自行车论坛是哀声一片啊。

自体输血比同源输血难发现一点吧，相传USPS一直用的是自体输血

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 10:23

引用第12楼阿福于2007-07-25 10:20发表的:
有谁麻烦上一下车队的照片，我连是哪只队都不知道

作者: 贝多芬 时间: 2007-7-25 10:27
奖金太诱人了。。。。。

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 10:36
Homologous, autologous, heterologous - the tongue-twisting medical terms that have become a part of sport are not just hard to read because of the all-too-frequent depressing doping news, but because they cause confusion over what exactly these riders are alleged to have done to themselves. News of Alexandre Vinokourov's positve test for blood transfusion carried the term 'homologous' along with it, causing some confusion over whether he is alleged to have infused blood taken from another person or if he'd stored up his own blood and re-infused it along the way.

It's the same confusion we encountered after news of Tyler Hamilton's positive result in the same type of analysis back in 2004. Homologous transfusions are the transfer of blood from another individual of the same species. Autologous transfusions refer to the transfer of one's own blood, while heterologous transfusions would refer to transfer of blood from another species.

While homologous transfusions have been detectable by antidoping testers since 2004, autologous transfusions are much harder to spot. Last year's Operación Puerto scandal made it clear that autologous doping is a widespread practice in the sport when hundreds of bags of banked blood were discovered in a Madrid clinic. Blood transfusion is believed to have gained a resurgence in the sport after WADA put in place enhanced tests to detect the banned blood booster EPO.

作者: 46er 时间: 2007-7-25 10:39

引用第13楼559于2007-07-25 10:22发表的:

自体输血比同源输血难发现一点吧，相传USPS一直用的是自体输血

是的，自体输血比同源输血更难发现，而且对身体的风险和副作用会小得多，但自体输血方式在抽血后的恢复期内，红细胞损失很大会严重影响训练和比赛成绩。同源输血（使用他人的血）则可避免这种影响。
USPS，我觉得他们用药的可能性更大，毕竟美国的生化科技太发达了，而且参加环法这种比赛，携带药品比携带血袋的风险要小多了

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 10:41

引用第17楼46er于2007-07-25 10:39发表的:

是的，自体输血比同源输血更难发现，而且对身体的风险和副作用会小得多，但自体输血方式在抽血后的恢复期内，红细胞损失很大会严重影响训练和比赛成绩。同源输血（使用他人的血）则可避免这种影响。
USPS，我觉得他们用药的可能性更大，毕竟美国的生化科技太发达了，而且参加环法这种比赛，携带药品比携带血袋的风险要小多了

据说是moto车在关键站送血的

作者: bach_lance 时间: 2007-7-25 10:42
想想可以这样骑的人，个个都是超人！
哪有这样的，所以职业的运动员多少都会用药，只是运气好不好，技巧好不好不被查出来罢了。

作者: zzktony 时间: 2007-7-25 10:45

引用第12楼阿福于2007-07-25 10:20发表的:
有谁麻烦上一下车队的照片，我连是哪只队都不知道

浅蓝色队服的那支队伍

作者: 46er 时间: 2007-7-25 10:47

引用第18楼559于2007-07-25 10:41发表的:

据说是moto车在关键站送血的

是摄像用的摩托车？在比赛过程中输血？哦，不敢想像！

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 10:51

引用第21楼46er于2007-07-25 10:47发表的:

是摄像用的摩托车？在比赛过程中输血？哦，不敢想像！

没说是摄像moto车，就是不随队车携带，搜查不到，靠游击队摩托车，是去年阿壮的队友还有什么所谓知情人士说的吧，反正没有证据

作者: skyhuihui 时间: 2007-7-25 10:52
O SHIT....

作者: 光光 时间: 2007-7-25 10:55
http://sports.163.com/07/0725/07/3K7SGIRF00051CAQ.html

中文的看这里

作者: 46er 时间: 2007-7-25 11:04

引用第22楼559于2007-07-25 10:51发表的:

没说是摄像moto车，就是不随队车携带，搜查不到，靠游击队摩托车，是去年阿壮的队友还有什么所谓知情人士说的吧，反正没有证据

噢，这倒真是一条妙计啊。
车队或车手－地下血库（Ferrari医生、Fuente医生或其他什么医生）－摩托车游击队勾结起来，让人防不胜防啊……shit

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 11:37
同源输血比较好检测，DNA不同就能测出来了，但很多情况，样品中会不含有输入的血液，那就测不出来了。
自体输血测DNA测不出，需要隔段时间测红细胞数，30天、60天、120天各测一次，红细胞只能生存120天，输入的血液是之前准备的，红细胞会比较早死。
好像是这个样子的

作者: DURA-ACE 时间: 2007-7-25 11:38
那还比什么环法啊----检查兴奋剂的人员可能是一伙的看谁不爽了就把谁给搞了

为Astana感到遗憾

作者: 爱骑车的小孩 时间: 2007-7-25 13:28

引用第24楼光光于2007-07-25 10:55发表的:
http://sports.163.com/07/0725/07/3K7SGIRF00051CAQ.html

中文的看这里

好~~非常感谢~~

作者: 疯筝 时间: 2007-7-25 14:07

盲目崇拜了好几天的亚洲车身也被尿瓶弄了

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 17:06
Vino33岁了，两年的禁赛对他来说等于直接退役了。
Astana不知道将来会怎样，哈萨克斯但可是赞助10年的合同啊

作者: 猪唐唐912 时间: 2007-7-25 18:08
搞什么　结果今年事更多

作者: ws159632 时间: 2007-7-25 18:47
问个问题,vino的药检结果怎么出来得这么快

作者: 559 时间: 2007-7-25 19:01

引用第32楼ws159632于2007-07-25 18:47发表的:
问个问题,vino的药检结果怎么出来得这么快

这个的确是个问题，也有人表示质疑了，而且为什么每次消息都是首先来自法国的《队报》

作者: 公路1200 时间: 2007-7-25 19:05
问一下,尿瓶子是什么意思

作者: 光光 时间: 2007-7-25 19:06
据说拉丝姆森也退赛了

作者: pengyou 时间: 2007-7-25 20:59
楼上的消息很八卦，现在拉拉正跑的欢呢。

作者: 爱骑车的小孩 时间: 2007-7-25 22:04

引用第36楼pengyou于2007-07-25 20:59发表的:
楼上的消息很八卦，现在拉拉正跑的欢呢。

原来你的拉拉是拉斯坶森啊...我还以为是坎切拉拉呢....

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